DUST Search - To ALL SCOUTS and CCP - AMARR vs GALLENTE Scouts

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

Stats thanks to (i think its written:) /--Shays--/ =
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByYUjq_P9RY0TnNPemxqb1BfZFk/edit?pli=1

So This post is to Analize better the Scouts suits mentioned above. The Amarrian one and the Gallente one.
Lets check the stats (AT PROTO LEVEL):

--------------------------------Gallente------------Amarr
GÖª High / Low slots =-------2/4------------2/4
GÖª CPU/PG= -----------------330/74------------340/70
GÖª Shields= -------------------70------------60
GÖª Armor= --------------------130------------170
GÖª TOTAL HP= ---------------200------------ 230
GÖª Shield recharge rate=---30------------30
GÖªShield Depleted delay=---6------------6
GÖªArmor repari rate=--------3------------ 0
Movement/Sprt Speed=5.45/7.63------------5.25/7.35

So.From the Mere Stats we can conclude:
Slots: They are both the same
CPU/PG+ Gallente has 4 more PG at the cost of 10 CPU. Seems fair
Shields= Gallente has the advantage with 70.
Armor= Amarr has the advantage with 170 (Almost MED frame level ! XD)
Total HP.Amarr wins for a mere 30EHP.
Shield R/D rates= Both the same
ARMOR REPAIR RATE=So, what made LOGIS OP before 1.8? remember? oh yeh we are still playing 1.7.Well they gave it to the Gallente scout.
Movement/Sprt speed= Gallente wins while having SCOUT speed. While the Amarr looses in speed to a Minmatar Assault.

So as it is.OVERALL, the amarr scout only has 30+ HP over the gallente scout.THATS THE ONLY ADVANTAGE Amarr scout has. 30HP.
This is worth: 1 STD Assault Rifle bullet....1 (out of 3 consecutive) Combat Rifle bullets....etc...

Now lets see the BONUSES:
(you might also check Aero Yassavi's post on Scout Bonuses: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136426&find=unread )
The Gallente Scout racial bonus is 5% scan radius per level and 5% profile signature reduction per level
At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free standard range amplifier and one free complex profile dampener.

The Amarr Scout racial bonus is 5% stamina recovery and max stamina per level.
At level 5, this is the equivalent of less than one basic cardiac regulator, and that's it. A basic cardiac regulator does 25% more stamina and 50% more stamina recovery.

So.... If i want to be profile dampened and/or cloaks i can use the GAllente Scout as it already surpasses the amarr scout in both Speed AND Armor repair (which make a difference) in exchange for stamina and 30HP (which DONT make a difference).

If i want to have ''More HP'' i can just use a Minmatar Assault, which will have Bigger HP values , Better bonus (efficiency to Damage mods) , better SPEED , and whith just equipping a Cx Profile Dampener , similar Profile dampening.

So what EXACTLY is the purpose of this Amarr scout? Why SHOULD i use it over the other variants which are clearly superior?

Taken From Aero's post the other bonuses:
The Caldari Scout racial bonus is 5% scan radius per level and 5% scan precision per level.
At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free standard range amplifier and one free complex precision enhancer (actually a little more since complex precision enhancers are 20%)

The Minmatar Scout racial bonus is 5% hacking speed and nova knife damage per level.
At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free complex code breaker and multiple free complex sidearm damage modifiers

I've been waiting for a VERY LONG TIME , for the amarr scout, but i cant believe how BAD it is compared to the other scouts.
I sure appreciate the fact it has the SAME SLOT COUNT than other scout suits, but Considering the REST of the scouts have ''Amarr scout CPU-PG'' then it breaks even..... What exactly was the thinking behind this?
Yeah,lets make the Amarr scout Run all day, so they can run from one objective to another. YEAH LIKE I CANT just call in an LAV.

The only POSSIBLE use i can find for this fit is SPEED TANK. Speed + Massive stamina for constant movement seem pretty good...IN THEORY.AA has made Speed tanking and Strafing useless and the only way to stay alive is HP and cover.

SO PLEASE, enlighen me.... WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO with this amarr scout...

PLEASE CCP. FIX this before its release. DO NOT , wait for 1.8 and see everyone saying its UP,and then wait a lot like with the commandos to fix them. FIX IT NOW, the numers are here....

/EDIT/= Possible Solutions:
Increase the Bonus all the way up to the efficiency of an ENHANCED CARDIAC REGULATOR.
ADD 5% Profile Dampening PER level.

OR

Increase the Bonus all the way up to the efficiency of an ENHANCED CARDIAC REGULATOR.
ADD 5% Cloack Cooldown per level

OR

Replace the bonus but something that is not worthless.....
AND an increase on some of the Base AMARR Scout stats. Giving the Amarr Scout a 3 Armor rep per sec same as the gallente wouldnt be taking it too far...Or giving them 80 Shields instead of 60 plus Minmatar Scout Melee damage..
I dont know...im out of ideas for now...


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Mordecai Sanguine What The French 295	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:56:00 - [1] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Stats thanks to (i think its written:) /--Shays--/ = https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByYUjq_P9RY0TnNPemxqb1BfZFk/edit?pli=1 So This post is to Analize better the Scouts suits mentioned above. The Amarrian one and the Gallente one. Lets check the stats (AT PROTO LEVEL): --------------------------------Gallente------------Amarr GÖª High / Low slots =-------2/4------------2/4 GÖª CPU/PG= -----------------330/74------------340/70 GÖª Shields= -------------------70------------60 GÖª Armor= --------------------130------------170 GÖª TOTAL HP= ---------------200------------ 230 GÖª Shield recharge rate=---30------------30 GÖªShield Depleted delay=---6------------6 GÖªArmor repari rate=--------3------------ 0 Movement/Sprt Speed=5.45/7.63------------5.25/7.35 So.From the Mere Stats we can conclude: Slots: They are both the same CPU/PG+ Gallente has 4 more PG at the cost of 10 CPU. Seems fair Shields= Gallente has the advantage with 70. Armor= Amarr has the advantage with 170 (Almost MED frame level ! XD) Total HP.Amarr wins for a mere 30EHP. Shield R/D rates= Both the same ARMOR REPAIR RATE=So, what made LOGIS OP before 1.8? remember? oh yeh we are still playing 1.7.Well they gave it to the Gallente scout. Movement/Sprt speed= Gallente wins while having SCOUT speed. While the Amarr looses in speed to a Minmatar Assault. So as it is.OVERALL, the amarr scout only has 30+ HP over the gallente scout.THATS THE ONLY ADVANTAGE Amarr scout has. 30HP. This is worth: 1 STD Assault Rifle bullet....1 (out of 3 consecutive) Combat Rifle bullets....etc... Now lets see the BONUSES: (you might also check Aero Yassavi's post on Scout Bonuses: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136426&find=unread ) The Gallente Scout racial bonus is 5% scan radius per level and 5% profile signature reduction per level At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free standard range amplifier and one free complex profile dampener. The Amarr Scout racial bonus is 5% stamina recovery and max stamina per level. At level 5, this is the equivalent of less than one basic cardiac regulator, and that's it. A basic cardiac regulator does 25% more stamina and 50% more stamina recovery. So.... If i want to be profile dampened and/or cloaks i can use the GAllente Scout as it already surpasses the amarr scout in both Speed AND Armor repair (which make a difference) in exchange for stamina and 30HP (which DONT make a difference). If i want to have ''More HP'' i can just use a Minmatar Assault, which will have Bigger HP values , Better bonus (efficiency to Damage mods) , better SPEED , and whith just equipping a Cx Profile Dampener , similar Profile dampening. So what EXACTLY is the purpose of this Amarr scout? Why SHOULD i use it over the other variants which are clearly superior? Taken From Aero's post the other bonuses: The Caldari Scout racial bonus is 5% scan radius per level and 5% scan precision per level. At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free standard range amplifier and one free complex precision enhancer (actually a little more since complex precision enhancers are 20%) The Minmatar Scout racial bonus is 5% hacking speed and nova knife damage per level. At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free complex code breaker and multiple free complex sidearm damage modifiers I've been waiting for a VERY LONG TIME , for the amarr scout, but i cant believe how BAD it is compared to the other scouts. I sure appreciate the fact it has the SAME SLOT COUNT than other scout suits, but Considering the REST of the scouts have ''Amarr scout CPU-PG'' then it breaks even..... What exactly was the thinking behind this? Yeah,lets make the Amarr scout Run all day, so they can run from one objective to another. YEAH LIKE I CANT just call in an LAV. The only POSSIBLE use i can find for this fit is SPEED TANK. Speed + Massive stamina for constant movement seem pretty good...IN THEORY.AA has made Speed tanking and Strafing useless and the only way to stay alive is HP and cover. SO PLEASE, enlighen me.... WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO with this amarr scout... PLEASE CCP. FIX this before its release. DO NOT , wait for 1.8 and see everyone saying its UP,and then wait a lot like with the commandos to fix them. FIX IT NOW, the numers are here.... /EDIT/= Possible Solutions: Increase the Bonus all the way up to the efficiency of an ENHANCED CARDIAC REGULATOR. ADD 5% Profile Dampening PER level. OR Increase the Bonus all the way up to the efficiency of an ENHANCED CARDIAC REGULATOR. ADD 5% Cloack Cooldown per level OR Replace the bonus but something that is not worthless..... AND an increase on some of the Base AMARR Scout stats. Giving the Amarr Scout a 3 Armor rep per sec same as the gallente wouldnt be taking it too far...Or giving them 80 Shields instead of 60 plus Minmatar Scout Melee damage.. I dont know...im out of ideas for now... 4PG against 10 CPU seems fair ? Seriously ? Solution : The bonus seems kinda nice iF some condition : First : Bring it to the level of an Complex Cardiac Regulator. All others bonus are a Complex Mod AND a ehanced or basic. And cardiac regulator are one of the easiest module to fit..... Second : Make the Amarr Melee weapon depending on the Stamina : The Max Stamina you have IS the melee damage bonus you have with + a little base damage. (50-100-150) 300 of stamina ? 400 of damage per hit with it. HUGE damage. (OHK when backstab a Heavy suit) No charge up. Single shot. BUT. Deplete your ENTIRE stamina bar every shot.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 295	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:00:00 - [2] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: correction: with skills you'll be sprinting for 29.5 seconds straight innately. While this seems unappealing at a first glance, as a long time scout, you have no idea how much stamina affects play. If you run out of stamina you can't leap over rails to get away, you can't bunny hop and tap sprint to dodge fire. I'm not saying you guys are wrong but to me this is actually a very very good bonus. While it seems bland and people keep talking about the minmatar's dmg bonus you need to consider this as well: we have to equip knives to use it. Knives are a 1.5 m weapon requiring skill to use. This large bonus to stamina gives you more utility in one suit. I realize that it seems boring but trust me. This bonus is pretty good. Not exciting but all around pretty useful. Im understanding what you saying and am slowly coming to accept it but I'm still pissed that the minmatar assault is at scout speed. I don't know if its just me but I truly think no assault base states should be equal rival any scouts speed. AGreed with you Soul. PLUS,how many of you people saying the AMARR SCOUT IS ''FINE'' are actually going to SKILL INTO it? yeah...didnt think so... CCP just HATE Amarrians right now..... Amarr weapons always takes twice more pG..... Amarr logi suit has always been the worse. (Its mine i know it.....) Every bonus CCP bring to Amarr just SUCKS. Rof ? Well with Laser rifle and SCR that's useless....... Armor repair ? That was useless on Logi Amarr that's still useless on Assault...... Bonus to shield and penality on amror ? Oh yeah....but armor is almost 3x higher than shield..... CCP start making great things (Commandos and Sentinel Amarr are not bad.) but damn this scout is.....so trash compaired to others......
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 295	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:08:00 - [3] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I'll give it a month or two after Marauder has murdered entire teams and everyone starts speccing into Amarr scout and you'll guys go "yknow, this suit ain't so bad." 1st- Im speccing into Amarr scout, day one. 2nd-aint so bad =/= Good Maybe my alt but definitely not my Main. Right know nothing would make me spec into it. What the point about running for a long time if you run slow as hell ? CCP Bring Melee weapon based on stamina buff our bonus by AT LEAST 3 and THEN it will be useful. Amarr are the storm trooper ? Yes it dies from stick and stones and can't kill a single ennemy even if there is 20 stormtrooper against 1 ennemy.